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Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:58:00 -
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I commend you on your steadfastness. It is admirable that you, a capsuleer, would use your efforts to help those in need who would otherwise be helpless, and stick with it for almost 2 years.
I have a question though; are these crew you rescue also going through the same process as the slaves you rescue? It would seem to me that you'd just send them back home to their families rather than try to educate them before release.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:42:00 -
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It's not 'grrr goons' anymore, it's 'grrr DSTON'. That just tickles me pink.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:58:00 -
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Taisia Zaytseva wrote:Ston Momaki wrote:Taisia Zaytseva wrote:lots of not nice things... We don't think it was you. Your hatred is strangely insincere. Rescue Report: 116.02.09 01:00 Leona Uisen 67 people The Disciples of Ston have christened the DSS Plowshare and deployed it alongside the DSS Assist both under the command of Captain Tahrmal Nalthkh. There is minor fitting yet to be done on it and then it will be ready for service. The Plowshare will be equipped for confiscation as well as rescue work Also to report: Tahrmal Nalthkh arrived from Ealur today with donated supplies including medicine, food, and newly hired staff including a group of scientist to help with the technical training of Matriculants. We have also hired a group of Freed Slaves to help with the growing Matriculant population here in Kaap. Continue to autofallate yourself and live in your imaginary world. I told Arathor that you all were taking advantage of game mechanics and being douchenozzles. He was a little confused at the game thing. But, I am of the rare philosophy that we are all brains in a jar in an experiment somewhere and this is all a little game. Heck, maybe I'm the only brain in the jar. Solipsistic, I know. So, I called you on your little masturbatory scheme, and that's what it really is, you do something and then jerk off in public about how good it feels, when, in reality, it amounts to nothing. As I said, you all use clone jacks when under war dec, so I'm going to have to give ganking lessons. No biggie. In other news today, I picked up one hundred trillion freed slaves in Rens and they all wanted to go back into slavery. P.S. You're a capsuleer and can't afford some sort of cosmetic surgery? I guess they don't need to see what's behind the glory hole.
What are these game mechanics you speak of?
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:25:00 -
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I concur with Ms. Osyn.
Maybe you should ask if DSTON will allow you acces to their rehabilitation facilities.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:04:00 -
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If a slave owner abandons their slaves on a busy stargate, is that the same as freeing slaves?
If these slaves are disowned by their masters, does that no longer make them slaves?
If these slaves are abandoned in space outside of the Amarr Empire, would enslavers be breaking Amarrian law by capturing people outside of their boundaries?
If these slaves are no longer property of their previous master, what right would anyone (according to Amarrian law) have to resell them on the market?
How can you sell what is not yours?
I'd like to hear your answers as it sounds to me like you're a simple thief and a criminal of Amarr, Nauplius. While the same could be said of DSTON, I imagine you have more to lose by a tarnishing of your standings with the Empire.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:37:00 -
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Perhaps, but the Nauplius I remember from my time in the 24th was a law-abiding Amarrian citizen. If he is breaking Amarrian laws then he might want to reconsider his course of action and methods of spreading the faith...before hes excommunicated and compared to Odelya d'Hanguest.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:59:00 -
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I disagree. However, I'm sure Nauplius can answer for himself.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:12:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:If a slave owner abandons their slaves on a busy stargate, is that the same as freeing slaves?
If these slaves are disowned by their masters, does that no longer make them slaves?
If these slaves are abandoned in space outside of the Amarr Empire, would enslavers be breaking Amarrian law by capturing people outside of their boundaries?
If these slaves are no longer property of their previous master, what right would anyone (according to Amarrian law) have to resell them on the market?
If you don't own these slaves, how can you sell what is not yours?
I'd like to hear your answers as it sounds to me like you're a simple thief and a criminal of Amarr, Nauplius. While the same could be said of DSTON, I imagine you have more to lose by a tarnishing of your standings with the Empire.
-Eran Key Points:
- I sell slaves not to Empyreans but to those most qualified to adjudicate edge cases of ownership and manumission GÇö the Amarr Civil Service, which maintains standing buy orders for slaves throughout Amarr space.
- Attempted execution of slaves by jettisoning them into space is not a legal instrument of manumission. That would require papers, lawyers, witnesses, and so forth. The slaves thus retain the status of slaves.
- Were it not for the existence of the Disciples of Ston, I would not interfere with those who choose to execute slaves by jettisoning them into space. Such slaves would go and meet God and face the Judgement, where they would have their fair chance. Since the Disciples of Ston do exist, however, I am obligated to intervene GÇö for all slaves ripped from the bosom of holy Amarr and taught the blasphemies of liberal religion and freedom will be denied entry into Paradise and will glorify God in their destruction.
- The "Amarr Bloc" when it existed as such always considered CONCORD rules and such orthogonal to Amarrianness. A pilot, therefore, could have poor security status or this or that "flag" without being considered a criminal in the eyes of other Amarr loyalist pilots.
Quote: The Empire signed several treaties that prevented it from taking slaves from other nations, though it was not barred from enslaving criminals and POWs.
Source.
Sir, are you suggesting you openly break Amarr treaties because you have some notion that these treaties are "orthogonal" (are you sure that's the right use a geometric word?)? If you think this treaty is invalid, which other ones do you disregard?
Further, you didn't really answer the questions posed. You're a criminal because you're taking slaves outside of the mandated space. I didn't mention security status or flags. It should be obvious enough that you're breaking laws when you yourself have to smuggle slaves through the borders, risking confiscation, fines, and standings loss.
Also, even if DSTON didn't exist, there are plenty of other pilots in the "death-can" community who are doing similar, if not the same work without being so vocal about it.
-Eran
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Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.14 02:39:00 -
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Not sure what to do about this. I just started to get used to my non-criminal status with the empires...
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:52:00 -
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So you captured and re-enslaved those who'd been properly freed. You personally overlooked this fact and instead made your own judgement supersede that of their previous master.
Amarr Civil Services do not accept freed slaves so what do you plan to do with these individuals?
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:35:00 -
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Which of your critics would you be referring to? There are many out there who are less vocal about their activities for whatever reason.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:15:00 -
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If you're going to allow them military training that seems quite hypocritical. If they want to be militants, then you should release them from your care. Personally, I've been handing the people I rescue over to the Sisters of Eve as I don't quite agree with the way your organization operates.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:54:00 -
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Apologies for not seeing your reply sooner, Mr. Nalthkh. Better late than never.
In regards to your questions about the SoE I will do my best to answer. I am not a Sister though, and only assist their organization, so they would likely have better answers. The logistics on my side are quite simple. After the initial rescue from cargo containers the individuals are transported by myself across the CONCORD border to Arnon where there is a Sister of EVE station in orbit of IX-3. The individuals are then turned over to the SoE with any paperwork found with them. Sister Alitura facilitates the exchanges throuh her contacts.
Once I've turned them over, my responsibility for them ends. Legal mechanic's are only a concern in transit, as Customs make no exception to executing smugglers and their cargo regardless of intent. Once they are in the Sister's care the legality is of little value anymore. It is rare for slavers and Holder's to come to the Sister's with demands to be returned their "property", and even those who do are unlikely to have their demands met-from what I've heard.
As for paperwork and followup, that is something you'd have to inquire with the SoE. Like I said, once I turn over the rescued individuals they are no longer my responsibility and I conduct no followup review. The SoE has a long solid trackrecord of humanitarian work and this is why I trust them with very few questions asked. I suppose it's possible they just grind the people up and serve them in Gallentean restaurants, but I find that highly unlikely. Should mistreatment of people in the care of SoE ever be a reported, I would certainly reconsider my exchanges with them.
I never intended for these actions to be necessary to prove to anyone. I've been doing this for quite some time with little mention of it to anyone, so should you not take my word matters not at all.
Yes, I do find it to be hypocritical to support militants-in-training as a pacifist organization. I appreciate that you don't restrict their wishes, but I think the unconditional support is a mistake. If they want to join a militant organization then rehabilitate them until they're healthy and send them on their way.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:15:00 -
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Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:Rescue Report: 116.03.10 18:24 (no pilot: transcription error) 32 Slaves, 13 Slaver Hounds, 20 Freedom Fighters, 7 Slavers) 116.03.11 00:14 Ollimor 15 rescued A gentle reminder to all who would engage in rescue work: There is no regular mechanism to hand over rescued slaves to non-capsuleer entities apart from selling them to that entity after which they are part of the SCC controlled slave market. The only known exception to this rule would be if specific and special dispensation were arranged through a representative from that entity or rather the faction that the entity represents. Since I have been a capsuleer I know of only one time that this has occurred that being the arrangement between Freedom Extention/RSS and Gradient/EM to repatriate a large number of slaves from the Mandate. Other than that, I've never seen it reported or verified in any way.
I don't really understand this talk about "mechanisims" but I can assure you there are ways to free slaves without following the bureaucracy in place by the SCC.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:20:00 -
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Making ones way through a collage, now there's a strange mental image....
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:05:00 -
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Aracturus wrote:Good lord this thread is still going?
All due respect and doubts, these gentlemen have stuck to their beliefs longer than most capsuleers remember a name. I may not agree with everything they do but the do deserve some compliments.
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:29:00 -
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Well at least you acknowledge that...
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